Originally by: Seleene

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Awesome stuff, Hardin; about as good a summary as can be expected from an 'outsider' point of view.

I really should poke Yalson about consolidating all of his posts into one location for reference.

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Originally by: Gnome Chomsky

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Originally by: Berrik Radhok

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This is fairly accurate except for the stuff Mittani pointed out. Good read.

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srsly.. we need a :suckcock: emote. Amirite?

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Originally by: Torshin

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bob attacked ASCN before the We will let you keep fountain line.
DBP said there are no goons

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Originally by: JeanPaul Sartre

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I thought the Gnome guys troll was better than yours, but Muttons shot it down in flames

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Originally by: Sergeant Spot

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My own hatred of goons is based on one, and only one incident:

They dragged a RL tragedy into the game, refused to face the issue beyond a few weak excuse attempts, and then proceeded to try and shift blame to the folks that called them on it for the crime of calling them on it.

Funny thing is, I never hesitated to team up with old enemies from the game Mankind, even after years of fighting and some very bitter experiences. I dont hesitate to respect current enemies, regardless of how bitter the fights are. After all, its all a pew pew space game, except when some filthy punk drags a RL tragedy in so he can mock it.

Strangely, I have absolutely no hate for Red alliance, nor for Razor, nor for IAC, etc. Maybe its because they never pulled that crap.

My contempt will disappear the same day I see a "real" mea culpa.

And if someone else in game does the same thing tomorrow, I'll treat them the same, with pretty much the same options for a mea culpa. (I know some goons dream of the day they can try and claim some BoB member did something similar, but BoB's responce would be a tad different, and that makes all the difference for me.....)

In fact, there is one incident from the game Mankind that is vaguely similar, and my response was similar. A player by the name of "Severed Wind" was threatening to commit real life suicide unless folks gave him game money, and doing so in such a way that some folks were wondering if he was serious. I was called to the scene by a friend.

I pulled out the suicide prevention material from some of the NCO training material I have laying about and used it. I also dialed 911 and reported the incident at the same time I was in game chatting with him.

I spent the next 3 weeks trying to get the game company (VIBES) to contact French law enforcement and report the issue. I made formal reports to my local law enforcement and tried to find hints to Severed Wind's RL identity in game, but never did.

Severed Wind heard what I was doing and contacting me with threats to himself to make me stop (text logs of the threats were turned over to my local police the next day).

As I told my local police, it was probably a stunt for free stuff by a kid, but all training says "treat it as a real", which the police agreed with.

If real, the kid needed help. If fake, it would do him good to be "talked to" by his local police for pulling the stunt.

Sadly, VIBES did not care, and went bankrupt not long afterwards.

Thats the only other incident where someone dragged such RL stuff into a game, and my responce to it.

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Originally by: General Windypops

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First up, I have nothing whatsoever to do with BoB.

However are you seriously comparing mocking the real life death of a player of this game by creating 'humorous' forum signatures to 'celebrate' it with the fact that one alliance got a minor tech 2 bpos in an internet spaceship game thanks to the foolish actions of one guy?

If you seriously consider the two to be equal then it just goes to show that you SERIOUSLY need to chill out and remember that this is a game.

I just wish some of the Goon members would have the balls to stand up to scum like you. Yeah, a minor T2 BPO is WAY worse than a real life death...

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Originally by: Sergeant Spot

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Originally by: The Mittani

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gotta say that the underlying motivation for a lot of our side of the war is a desire to extract posts like the one we just got out of people like sergeant spot and windypops

some people fight for territory or isk or pride or honor, we're pretty much here to extract suffering and misery from bob and anyone on their side, to ruin their identity, ruin their fun, and all those other happy fun feelings

good times, good times *sips mojito*

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I believe you.

Its how low you sink to do achieve that which gives me problems.

If you'd kept it IN GAME, I'd have only "in game" problems with you.

Call it digging if you will. I call it principals.

As for your dream of being able to shout "hypocracy!!" (its pretty clear you are copying all this stuff for later quoting), I've no doubt that sooner or later some idiot will give you the excuse. But thats only because you confuse "principals" with "the appearance of principals".

So yeah, I'll keep digging. My self image is not centered in your "something awful" site.

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Originally by: TWD

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I see two groups of people on your side replying to this argument. The first group tries to justify it and the second tries to deny or downplay it. I believe that its important to have respect for human life. We did not want to see an internet culture that does not have these values 'contaminate' the community we value, in the game we love to play. That was all there was to it. Obviously now, that did not work out the way we wanted.

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Originally by: TWD

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Originally by: Mittani

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seeing replies like this is awesome, it's like august 06 all over again but with a surprise twist where bob loses, fails, and is publicly humiliated

please post more and get spot back to posting tia and see about getting galavet in on this, you gal and spot are on about the same level of incoherent moral outrage

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What is your obsession with the word "fail" by the way? Are you a person who is afraid of failing?

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Originally by: Riley Craven

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Originally by: The Mittani

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good question lagadu is a very important member of finfleet and a proud bob member yet he's made some threads in market orders that by all rights should have spot hiring mercenaries on him in real life

this is why it is so fun to troll bob about their faux moral outrage, because the hypocrisy is comedy


its almost like when they complain about 'their alliance being painted in broad brushstrokes due to the actions of one person' that one is almost as good as the lagadu one

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Id like to add a comment in regards to this line of discussion (though I freely admit from this point that it serves no purpose, and that I enjoy such fruitless endevors) (Also this post is from a bob grunt at the time)

I was part of Sgt Spots. corp during the beginning of the Goon vs Bob conflict in syndicate. The funny thing is that before any of that happened I can remember much discussion on how goons would affect the game. For all most of bob cared (again from a grunt perspective) it seemed like you guys would have been a strong allaince to ally with and would one day (pending more sp) become a great allaince.

Then the "joke" happened. While I dont pretend to know anything about leadership, or their plans for your allaince, from a grunt perspective ALOT of us were ****ed off about the incident. Had not Bob declared War on you, a crap load of the pvpers would have just done the same thing none officially. The hate and anger was very much real on the Bob and internal forums... that much is clear since you would have db dumps of those forums from that time. The "moral highground" as you so like to put it was very real to pretty much all bob members (that I had contact with of course) at that time.

As for the present, I am sure many Bob still hang on to that hate and anger from that incident, even despite the fact that they know you only do things just to make them angry.
I know I still remember incidents from when I was a little kid that ****ed me off that I would love to get revenge for. I dont see how that makes anyone deranged as everyone thats honest with themselves would be willing to admit that they harbor some of those old feelings as well.

In any case, from my standpoint its very easy to judge your allaince as a whole because of you pretty much all act the same, which is insanely deranged little children. I've seen maybe a couple goons that have actually plied some thought to their actions (Hydrosan being one of them) I dont think you could say the same thing about Bob of then, nor could you say it of now. The only people you could accuse of that would be Bob leadership, and some of the vets that frequent these forums. Your allaince has some weird hive mind thing going on...

Personally, I will never like the goons not because of that incident, but because of the insane amount of stupidity you guys continue to post. I guess the difference between myself and how other people choose to deal with you is that I just went to live in empire doing my own thing solo while watching events play out on the forums. Personally, I think if people just ignored you, the world would be a better place. Course considering this post from myself I dont think that will ever happen.

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Originally by: Apophis Omega

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Originally by: The Mittani

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the most cogent turning point in the war is something which you missed: when people look back on things to find the 'tipping point' after which things really went to hell for bob, it will be a self-inflicted wound: asking mpire to pay rent

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You mean to say bob asking M. Pire to pay rent was the final nail in the coffin?

Funny I said that and bobs said I was wrong.

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